I created and create for myself from the tiniest ammo bullet to my Jump Freighter, from my first Rifter to my capitals, including researching and then using BPOs to create from the smallest rigs to making the faction items off BPCs (grinding hard standings with the industry NPC corps for 3 empires) and not buying the faction items themselves.
I created all my (alts) POSes, every POS module, Orcas, Freighters, battleships, Macks, Hulks blockade runners, cov ops... just everything and all from BPOs I researched myself in my own facilities.
I even grind my own POS charters and fuels and PI to make fuels and all of this when I could just snap a finger and buy all that stuff.

That's a portion of my end game (the rest being trading and other) and I have known others who are even more involved than me.
One day I'll find somebody willing to let me build a SC and Titan I'll have made from mining all the minerals up to the last mod. That's my end game.

1. Now this is a big whine, 0.0 is for empire building and if you think your empire can build without having a diplomatic capacity then you are wrong. It's all about a bunch of people swallowing their pride and admitting they need to give and receive help from others in order to succeed. The bolded part is the only significant part it shows how broken 0.0 is.

2. I agree, but you can balance the intrinsic rewards based on sec areas. Presence of cynos is an example of intrinsic risk to an area. Highsec does not have this risk so its CCP given rewards (npc industrial capability) could be reduced.

3. I'd be all for making highsec riskier but after the current trend of reducing highsec risk, I'm not going to devote any effort to a hopeless cause. 0.0 is dependent on players when related to safety, working as intended. No, the industry problems have nothing to do with blues. Yes you can get your own blues. Yes you could get more then us if you have any social skills. Yes if you worked hard enough you could deal with us and our blues.

I think this is a really interesting question when it comes to revitalising 0.0.

One thing is to get the income flowing from the bottom up rather than the top down, take away alliance level income like tech moons and replace it with farms and fields.

Secondly, IMO, you want to make a system where unused space costs a vast amount, seldom used space doesn't cost too much and space you actively farm makes you loads of ISK.

This means it really wouldn't be in the big alliances interest to bulldoze all of Null like they do now.

It would focus empires into small amounts of space where they had just as much space as they could actively farm.

Wars would become more about crushing your neighbours military rather than taking their space, you would only want to take space if you had an ally to give it to.

This would be a lot more interesting IMO.


[To put some numbers on it, maybe;

0-20 man hours spent farming this month, 15 bill sov fee for that system
20-100 man hours spent, 1 bill sov fee
100+ man hours spent, no sov bill]

Who says hisec is the "heart of civilization"? Sov 0.0 is where players can build their own civilization, and I see no reason why they should be limited by game mechanics to building one that's inferior to the example provided in the NPC area.

Great, now sov is even more work. Hauling is super fun! So... What do we get out of this change?

1. It was a huge whine about blues. Us personally? We offer amazing support for newbees, free ships, free isk, lots of content, and mentors to help you learn the game as well as find out what you like to do. That's part of the beauty of nullsec we can design our own newbie programs which in our case is very successful.

2. Exact numbers require testing but I'd say making the maximum available refine rate in highsec be 70% is a good start. This is a focus on industry though not everything else.

3. We ask for CCP to do it because its game mechanics that are keeping highsec rewards high and nullsec rewards low relating to industry. We aren't game designers so it isn't our job.

I think he is saying that if you put up a TCU in a system you should not have to fuel the towers.

There is a post in the first 2 GD pages made by a goon or "symphatizant" explaining what happened (including more structures bashing) and so on. I wanted to link it but now it's lunch time so I don't have time. Then I have to work (only 1 day a month but it's right today ) and by then the post will be at page 9000.